11:03:01	 From Dr. Catherine Ma : Yay to HURFS!
11:05:29	 From Keisha Thompson : Yay Counseling Psychology!
11:05:32	 From Midori Yamamura : Where can I get the bibliography?
11:06:09	 From Keisha Thompson : Here Midori: http://www.kbcc.cuny.edu/atd/documents/ATDEquiTeaSeries.pdf
11:06:34	 From Midori Yamamura : Thank you!
11:09:00	 From Eric Conte : Didn't hear it, but yes we know it.  
11:18:24	 From maria bartolomeo : I talk to my students about  Growth Mindset. I show my class a quick ted talk of her entitled, “the power of yet”. would like to give me class a reading from her, as well
11:18:47	 From Michelle Gabay : Is incremental theory another name for the mainstream term "growth mind-set"? Or is there a difference between the two? 
11:19:25	 From Keisha Thompson : I like that “power of yet”.
11:19:28	 From Lisa Paler-Holzmann : I believe they refer to the same thing.
11:20:13	 From maria bartolomeo : yes, the same to my knowledge. I know it more as Growth Mindset.
11:20:52	 From Eric Conte : Hi Marie, I remember you mentioning this at one of the FIGS we're in together & I also had a chance to share "The power of yet" with my field class.  Kept this in my notes since the games fig
11:21:13	 From Michelle Gabay : Thanks Lisa and Maria. 
11:22:19	 From maria bartolomeo : this idea of power of yet was integrated into a sesame street episode. so cute and so important for these little kids to start knowing this early
11:22:56	 From maria bartolomeo : great, eric. welcome, Michelle.
11:24:57	 From Dr. Catherine Ma : I loved reading all Dr. Sue’s vignettes! So great and helpful in having talks about race.
11:25:19	 From Paule Lafortune : Yes, helpful and relatable
11:25:51	 From Keisha Thompson : Positionality
11:26:02	 From JoAnne Meyers : What's the title of Dr. Sue's book? (It's not on the list)
11:26:17	 From Lisa Paler-Holzmann : Race Talk
11:26:19	 From Keisha Thompson : Race Talk
11:26:25	 From JoAnne Meyers : Thanks
11:27:37	 From Keisha Thompson : I pout the updated list in the chat
11:27:42	 From Keisha Thompson : *put
11:27:51	 From Dr. Catherine Ma : One way to transition into a less threatening race talk is I talk about a wide variety of privileges before I go into white privilege.
11:28:18	 From Michelle Gabay : Thanks for this, Keisha.
11:29:29	 From Dr. Catherine Ma : I know I have!
11:29:40	 From Keisha Thompson : mmhmm
11:29:43	 From Dr. Catherine Ma : lol
11:29:50	 From Michael Rodriguez : Great question, lol
11:30:26	 From Michelle Billies : I’ve definitely been mistaken for the “leader”…white privilege!
11:31:00	 From Keisha Thompson : Proxemics would be a very informative basis for a research study at Kingsborough
11:31:08	 From Dr. Catherine Ma : Yes!
11:31:43	 From Michelle Billies : I say that to say I think there are questions we can ask in the classroom to highlight white privilege to white students.
11:32:08	 From Keisha Thompson : Good point Michelle
11:32:21	 From maria bartolomeo : I like that idea, Cathy. Kesiha, yes, that would be interesting
11:32:37	 From Eric Conte : Programs like NYC Men Teach are attempting to disrupt this sort of thinking
11:33:43	 From Dr. Catherine Ma : Cuny’s Dr. Kevin Nadal started a campaign: https://us02web.zoom.us/w/89076937399?tk=L4yDJFSG56RKnqJ3HHJ0TVooytuWeIn8mGl1MSMhH2A.AG.CZ6pdDDYi7jue8PlBiFx-f7s4PLmjM5etGmlQmwuxzYhcJPYtkJDlQKgpNKqDcjClSsOHk90aDuw-TUoHA8-VsXCJv848Jkq.3zsOEg0FUGOCTAfKVFTPIQ.qFN7P0S0uext74A2&pwd=c29nWkw2UGE2Q0czZDU2YUR4K3FrZz09
11:34:07	 From maria bartolomeo : Dr. Shawn Utsey used to be my mentor at Seton Hall University where I did my graduate studies. I was so fortunate to have him and learn from him (if even just for two years, because then he left for another position)
11:34:08	 From Dr. Catherine Ma : https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/thisiswhataprofessorlookslike
11:35:28	 From Dr. Catherine Ma : Sorry for the wrong link. The second link is the correct one: https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/thisiswhataprofessorlookslike
11:36:08	 From Michelle Gabay : Value effort and process over product, goes along way
11:40:10	 From Avri Beard : Thanks Charles!
11:40:21	 From Keisha Thompson : Dive Cathy!
11:40:39	 From Eric Conte : Several.  So many to mention in a few mins
11:41:26	 From Peter Santiago : Great example Cathy!
11:42:09	 From Stephanie Akunvabey : In higher education, we’ve had the tendency to avoid race by using other indicators that are much more comfortable to discuss. Its easier to talk about “low-income” students, or students with other “disadvantages. But race has been completely avoided in so many discussions
11:42:19	 From Stephanie Akunvabey : Thanks Cathy for highlighting that approach
11:42:47	 From JoAnne Meyers : Another interesting book is "Yellow: Race in America beyond Black and White" by Queens College's new president Frank Wu
11:42:56	 From Stephanie Akunvabey : Join us for our First Generation Celebration tomorrow.
11:43:01	 From Stephanie Akunvabey : https://www.kbcc.cuny.edu/Proudtobefirst/index.html
11:44:22	 From Michelle Billies : I do something similar in my classes by focusing on the range of privileges. I find a lot of students want to look at themselves and learn about themselves, and be respectful with each other, even though there are some who resist it.
11:48:08	 From maria bartolomeo : Michelle, do you think the fact that your students are on the mental health career path and more upper level courses than a typical intro to psych or socl, makes this easier in any way in the classroom? Maybe they are more amenable to reflecting upon themselves and being more self aware? curious…
11:49:40	 From Dr. Catherine Ma : I love how you brought up the concept of identity which can be difficult for students of color and 1st men college students.
11:49:41	 From Peter Santiago : There is a FIG ongoing this semester that is discussing the sterotypes associated with spoken language, writing and the benefits to learning if we adopt code messing instead of code switching. It’s facilitated by Carlos De Cuba a linguist and speech professor.
11:50:30	 From Peter Santiago : We are reading Other People’s English.
11:50:44	 From Peter Santiago : They also feel undervalued
11:50:57	 From Valerie Sokolova : thank you Peter
11:51:02	 From Eric Conte : Yes, Other People's English was a nice read.  Also, very nice FIG 
11:52:54	 From Stephanie Akunvabey : In many ways code-switching is a way of “whistling vivaldi”.  Many of us code-switch even in informal settings that don’t require academic/professional language
11:53:17	 From Michelle Billies : Re: examining one’s privilege in my MH classroom - I am sure it helps that it is counseling - but I think it’s also about finding my rationale for teaching it - that this is crucial to understanding ourselves as therapists and people in the world. I think similar rationales can be identified for other students, which I’ve also used, such as, you are a college student and you have a greater responsibility in the world, maybe also something about being a responsible citizen, but also being a good co-worker and future supervisor wherever you end up,  and being knowledgeable about and comfortable with talking about racism, privilege, and oppression. I appeal to them as current and future leaders.
11:53:27	 From maria bartolomeo : interesting, Stephanie.
11:53:30	 From Michelle Gabay : How do we, in our very euro-centric pedagogies, and institutional culture including assessment culture, shift the needle away from these traditions?
11:53:39	 From Dr. Catherine Ma : Well said, Lisa!
11:54:49	 From maria bartolomeo : makes a lot of sense, Michelle. all good points. thanks
11:54:59	 From Eric Conte : I try to have my students LIVE it with a group activity
11:55:10	 From Eric Conte : even if just for a few moments / hours
11:55:33	 From Peter Santiago : That’s code meshing!
11:55:47	 From Peter Santiago : Thanks for sharing Keisha!
11:56:40	 From Eric Conte : In a group activity students are asked to set up their "ideal school", I provide them with paper bags, yet not all of the bags have the same items.  One group is provided with just about everything they need.  Fancy tape, markers, etc.  Another bag is given the DollarTree markers and some broken crayons.  No tape, etc
11:57:22	 From Eric Conte : They must all complete the same task, but are provided with different things.  It's easy to see the privilege here
11:58:41	 From Midori Yamamura : online teaching gave me interesting experience. Since you cannot see students, you cannot figure out the racial makeup of my class. The most insightful writings were coming from black students in last semester and this semester—though I shouldn’t get into a reverse bias—I am learning a lot because they are in the position of oppressed, they are better observant of the world.
11:59:07	 From Kevicha Echols : Peter I never heard of code meshing, is that when code switching meshes together in a particular setting?
11:59:45	 From Michelle Gabay : Midori, really important point, It also raises questions about students turning on/off Zoom cameras and disrupting bias. 
12:00:20	 From Valerie Sokolova : Thanks Midori, great point!
12:00:28	 From Peter Santiago : Instead of asking people to switch between two vernaculars, they should be allowed to mesh the two and that be respected.
12:00:30	 From Damali Dublin : Regarding what Paule said, I think it important that faculty allow the space to challenge those thoughts without seeing it as a threat
12:00:41	 From karlene gooding : Thanks for these discussions.
12:00:43	 From maria bartolomeo : Charles, this was great. Thank you.
12:00:43	 From Paule Lafortune : https://forms.gle/KT67tz8Wt82Xa1HY9
12:00:44	 From Kevicha Echols : Got it! Thanks Peter
12:00:44	 From Lisa Paler-Holzmann : Thank you everyone and Great job Charles!
12:00:46	 From Damali Dublin : thank you
12:00:47	 From Avri Beard : Thanks everyone!
12:00:47	 From Michelle Gabay : Thanks so Charles. I appreciate this talk so much!
12:00:48	 From Michelle Billies : THANK YOU!!!!!
12:00:49	 From Peter Santiago : Thank you al!
12:00:51	 From Patrice Morgan : Thank you!
12:00:52	 From Kevicha Echols : Thanks Charles
12:00:52	 From Brendon Bain : Thank you
12:00:54	 From Dr. Catherine Ma : Thanks, Charles!
12:00:54	 From Michael Rodriguez : Thanks Charles!
12:01:03	 From Midori Yamamura : thank you!